23 Responses to “Bits and Pieces”

1. thud Says:
   May 9th, 2008 at 11:18 am

   I don’t like being negative but the rise of obama is making me doubt wether we want to triumph in the struggle we are engaged in or do we secretly wish to surrender(not so secretly in some cases).

2. xoggoth Says:
   May 9th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

   As an outsider, the only thing that makes me a bit less concerned about him being elected is looking at the other candidates. Despite a bit of Iran saber rattling from Clinton, neither looks like the sort that will protect US interests. In particular, all three appear to be soft on immigration.

   I suspect the reality will be anti-climax all round, you guys will not find him as bad as you thought, at least he will not waste money on totally unproductive wars. Much more certain, blacks in the US will find him a great disappointment as there is nothing practical in all his impressive rhetoric that suggests he has any real solutions. Give it three years and they will saying, why did we vote for him?

   The political systems in the US and Europe are not real democracies and in elections we never get to vote for what we want, we just vote for the one that looks not quite so bad and hope he/she improves but are usually disappointed. Hardly surprising there is so little interest in politics, que sera sera, any decent tits in page 3 of The Sun today?

3. jordon Says:
   May 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

   Concerning the price of oil, which is linked to so many of the troubles in the world, this link gives an insight.
   It seems the same culprits (finance) are involved over and over again.
   I would not say the effect is 60%, but would say that it is considerable.
   Notice how the culprits manipulate laws and exchanges, and finance to suit their own pockets. Notice too how the MSM turns the other way.

   http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article4573.html

   The more I get to understand about this entire global mess, and the guilty parties, and I don’t just mean oil and finance and politics, the more I want to dis-connect!!

   How’s your, ummm, country residence proceeding, Black Sheep?

   You got room for a greenhorn?

4. jordon Says:
   May 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

   Concerning Global inflation.
   We have a situation where dollar pegged currencies must competitively devalue their currencies in tandem with the $ to maintain exchange parity, or loose export volumes and gain a slowing economy. The ECB so far has not played the game (by lowering interest rates) to the extent other CBs have, hence the soaring Euro in $ terms.
   The sudden global contraction of lending (credit), caused by insolvency problems is deflationary (1929/32) and must be countered. Hence the Fed, BofE, and ECB, allowing banks to swap toxic paper for T-Bills, Guilts, etc which are safe. The Fed, BofE, and ECB can only do this to the extent of their own balance sheet assets, and at the rate the Fed is burning assets, they will be gone before this calender year ends! It does however ease the impaired lending ability of the banks and allow credit to flow, and frees the global economic wheels.

   The result of all this is massive inflation in $ pegged countries.
   This is A FULLY INTENDED RESULT.
   The Japan scenario must be avoided.
   Here the Fed/Bernanke balancing act becomes extremely crucial, and the signs (global food riots, etc) are that Paulson and others are becoming very worried for Global stability.
   2% is about the limit at present.

   Here are 2 quotes from a blog that explain the FULLY INTENDED RESULT.

   Be worried! High wire acts sometimes fall.

   “”From our Balance of Inflation analysis we have forecast since 1999 two events. One, the US will some day be forced to depreciate its currency to fight the deflationary impact of debt deflation, and the result (we called it “Poom”) will be rising prices of imports – especially energy but also all commodities – priced in dollars. Two, sooner or later Asian exporters must allow their currencies to float in order to combat domestic inflation imported by a depreciating dollar. When these two events occur, the disinflationary source will end and both sources will be inflationary. As a result, the US will experience high rates of inflation. We caught a bit of flack for this forecast, by the way.

   Here’s our observation from reading a lot of Bernanke’s writing going back to 1983, snd if you may remember that here in the United States when he was brought on board he was sold to the public as a keen student of the Great Depression. That tells you a lot about what they were expecting when they hired him. And what he wrote in a lot of his papers was that the big mistake that the US made in the Depression and that the Japanese also made in the early 90s was not shifting from interest rate to inflation targeting and maintaining inflation to prevent real interest rates to turn negative. Priority #1 in a debt defation is to even if they hit the zero bound they must keep inflation above zero because once they hit the zero-bound that there was nothing much more that they can do to stimulate demand. The moral they took away from past was target inflation and in so doing prevent asset price deflation from evolving into a deflationary economic crisis. So far they seem to be sticking to the program.”"

5. jordon Says:
   May 9th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

   It becomes apparent then, that the usual culprits mentioned in the manipulation of global oil prices, are in fact playing from the same music score as the Fed, in maintaining inflation above ground zero, to avoid the Japan scenario.

   Just so annoying that they should personally profit from so much humanity suffering.

   But then again, historically, they were the parties that set up, and financed, the global financial system. They know the system, and are years ahead of the sheeple in its manipulation.

   The evidence is that plans are laid for the sowing-up of the global currency/financial/banking systems when all these currency re-alignments have settled down.

   This may take decades, given the incidence of peak oil/peak energy, and the frantic industrialisation of the BRIC economies, while there is still the fossil energy on the planet to accomplish ‘industrialisation’.

   It’s a race for energy and commodities.

   For every gallon of gas that the US fails to consume because of economic downturn, India and China are currently consuming +8.
   For every gallon of gas that the US fails to consume because of economic downturn, the ME oil exporters are consuming +4

   Yup, the ME Arabs are industrialising/urbanising. And the oil for local consumption is heavily subsidised.

   So, manipulation or not, I don’t see oil falling too much.

   Houston, We Have A Problem!

6. jordon Says:
   May 9th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

   Herewith :-

   http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article4647.html

   Sigh

7. jordon Says:
   May 9th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

   Herewith - not so good prognosis:-

   http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article4647.html

   Sigh

8. jordon Says:
   May 9th, 2008 at 10:09 pm

   Black Sheep.

   Looks like “post heaven” is functioning again.

   Could you have a look please.

   Thanks.

   j

9. jordon Says:
   May 9th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

   Whoa!!!!

   They are here! (Scratching head in confusion)

   Sorry Black Sheep.

10. xoggoth Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 8:21 am

    In addition to all that, if the global warming lot are right, there may well be some truth in the warnings of huge famine in Africa and other areas due to crop failures.

    What’s Jordan’s first comment about? ummm, country residence ??

    Aaaah! now I get it! given the gloomy and rather apocolyptic nature of recent threads here (and I cannot say you are wrong unfortunately) you guys are planning one of those survivalist things out in the backwoods where you load up with lots of beef jerkie and automatic rifles and stuff and shoot anyone who comes near.

    That’s a very American thing, we can’t do that very well in overcrowded overpoliced UK. When Armaggedon comes and the ravening hordes pour in from Africa I will have to content myself with shouting out of my bedroom window “I say, you bally well leave my roses alone!”

11. jordon Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Xoggoth.

    1) There is NO CORRELATION, and has NEVER BEEN any correlation, for many millions of years, between atmospheric CO2 levels, - man made or natural.
    It is a gigantic CON FROM BEGINNING TO END.

    The principle players are the ONE WORLD ORDER CABAL, led from the rear by the younger generation of the Rothschilds. (Red Shield) They will be the main beneficiaries.

    It is a way to increase socialist taxes throughout the world, and has been 25+years in its planning and evolution.

    The global warming that we did see up to about 2001/3 was the result of sun-spot activity. Ice caps throughout the solar system, (Mars, various moons, etc) were melting at the SAME RATE as earths ice caps.

    For the last 6 years, global temperatures have turned cooler, the biggest fall, ( -0.6C) was in 2007), because the newest round of sunspots, projected to start a few years ago, didn’t happen!

    Al-beeb still pounds the table on global warming, but why wouldn’t they? Last year, in addition to UK taxpayers funding, they received $300M DIRECT FROM THE EU.

    The EU is a communist structure (central command by un-elected, non sackable bureaucraps who actually make the laws) who will indirectly benefit from CO2 taxes. - - The “free” carbon credits allocated to EU industry will become “PURCHASED CREDITS” in 3 years, thus further hamstringing EU manufacturing and jobs.

    The EU is regulating itself steadily to financial and economic Armageddon.
    Stupid Fuckwits.

    Here are a few links.

    http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1533912/Wrong-problem%2C-wrong-solution.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1533290/Climate-chaos-Don%27t-believe-it.html

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldselect/ldeconaf/12/12i.pdf

    And something I can’t link to, so I’ve reproduced in full.

    “EU’s Lisbon Treaty Means Dictatorship”

    by Lord Christopher Monckton

    With the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Communist species of fascism has spread westward by stealth to infect the European Union, whose complex treaties—now hated and feared by the overtaxed, over-regulated peoples of Europe—more closely parallel the Soviet Constitution than they do any constitution of liberty or democracy. . . .

    The new “President of Europe” (it may well be Tony Blair, who did his best to buy the job at UK taxpayers’ expense by agreeing to increase the UK’s tribute to the dismal empire of Brussels by a staggering $50 billion a year) will have all the powers of the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. The European Commission, like the Politburo to which it is functionally identical, has the sole power to propose and hence to reject European legislation. Like the Politburo, it is unelected and self-perpetuating. Any Commissioner (and it is neither joke nor coincidence that the German word for “Commissioner” is “Kommissar”) has the power to issue an edict which has the immediate force of supreme law throughout the subject territories, no longer known as “member States” but as “regions”—effectively, regional Soviets subsidiary to, and now utterly subservient to, the Supreme Soviet in Brussels. The European Parliament, like the Duma or People’s Congress of the Soviet Union, has no power to propose legislation, and its decisions can be (and often are) overridden by the Kommissars.

    The Parliaments of the “regions,” such as the UK Parliament, have no power to amend or reject any of the Kommissars’ edicts, whose undemocratic nature may be deduced from their official name—”Directives.” On 200 occasions in the past decade alone, the legislative scrutiny committee of the House of Commons has rejected European directives, but the functionally-Communist regional gauleiters Blair and [British Prime Minister Gordon] Brown have enacted every one of the Directives, regardless of the will of the people’s elected representatives.
    Civil Rights Trampled

    As of last December, the power which I once had as a Deputy Lieutenant of London to order the troops on to the streets to assist in civil emergencies or disasters was taken away by order of a Kommissar, and Britain no longer has the legal right put her army on to her own streets without that Kommissar’s express permission. As of this year, under the pretext of compliance with a European anti-terrorist Directive, the right to a fair trial before a properly-constituted and impartial court was abolished in the UK for any criminal case defined as “serious”: and even offences as trivial as dropping litter in public places are now treated by the regional gauleiters as serious. Without a hearing, without the right of legal representation, the gauleiters can imprison any UK citizen for five years at a time, confiscate his house, freeze his bank accounts, close or compulsorily take over any business which he may own, or extradite him to any overseas country (including the most unspeakable dictatorships) even in the absence of any prima facie evidence whatsoever against him.

    The news media say little about any of this, for it is now regarded as almost an offense to speak out against the gauleiters or against the European dictatorship, which in any event deploys an annual propaganda budget of $2.5 billion — an amount of which the late Dr. Goebbels could only dream. The BBC alone received $300 million from the Kommissars last year. It very seldom utters a word of criticism against the European Union. What do the British people think about this?

    The few who know about it — and it is no coincidence that they are the same few who know what a false and dishonest scam the “global warming” scare is—are horrified. The people as a whole are now so uneasy about what is happening that, even though few know the full details, they are now making it clear in every opinion poll that they do not want the Lisbon Treaty. Indeed, it is now certain that if there were a referendum on the Treaty in the UK, it would be crushingly defeated.

    The two functionally-Communist parties in the regional legislature at Westminster—the majority Labour party and the “Liberal” “Democrats”—each made written promises in their manifestoes for the last national elections that they would give the British people a referendum on the Treaty before it was ratified.

    Recently, the leaderships of both parties, knowing that any referendum would reject the Treaty overwhelmingly, have accordingly reneged on their promises, and samizdat debates are now being held on the question whether their failure to honor those promises and their consequent transfer of our own elected representatives’ powers to the unelected hands of the alien power that the European Union has become constitutes treason.

    It is indeed treason: but the UK courts are now mere rubber-stamps for the dictators. In the British constitution, the largest body of Members of Parliament not belonging to the governing party used to be known as “Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition.” However, the Conservative Party under its current weak, vapid, and policy-averse leadership has consistently failed to oppose the inexorable and soon-to-be-final extinction of what was once our democracy. In the absence of any Parliamentary opposition, millions of Britain’s leading minds have already fled overseas, taking their wealth and their talent with them, in a brain drain not seen since the ghastly days of Harold Wilson and the dominance of the Communist-led trades unions. I myself spent ten years overseas, but have recently returned and shall be doing my best to fight to regain my nation’s independence and democratic liberties.
    Britain Now a Police State

    Britain is now a closed country—a police state, with a Secret Police to rival the KGB. Our Secret Police was secretly founded by the present Government in 1998, and now its privileged and untouchable members mount dawn raids just like the KGB and then lie through their teeth in court to secure convictions against any citizen who has offended the regional gauleiters or the European Kommissars. There are “security” cameras every few inches—more of them than in any other nation. At current rates of growth, there will be a “security” camera for every UK citizen within a decade. In a sinister sequence of more than 90 criminal justice Bills in ten years, the present Government has removed every last one of the rights and freedoms of which Britain was once justly proud. We are no longer allowed even to demonstrate outside Parliament. It was the ninetieth of those Bills—passed with very little attempt at opposition—that took away the right of criminal trial.

    Now, our “leaders” fawn as sycophantically upon our new, grim, European masters as their predecessors once did during the long and foolish period of appeasement that tempted Hitler to rearm unopposed and then to provoke the Second World War. This time, though, it is sycophancy by stealth. Not so long ago, a UK Cabinet Minister who refused to sign a European “Directive” was told by his own civil servants that if he did not sign it he could and would be stripped of his office and have all his possessions confiscated. Instead of resigning and going public, he cravenly and secretly signed. His story has never been made public. Another UK Cabinet Minister, who had agreed with a Directive and had written to congratulate the Kommissars on it, was summoned to Brussels and told that, although all the “regions” and the European Parliament had agreed the Directive, the Kommissars of Europe (who had proposed it, for they alone have the power to do so) had decided that it was not of any consequence and that it would not be enacted into law. When the astonished Minister was asked why, he was told that the Kommissars had wanted to make it clear to elected Ministers in all of the “regions” where the real power in Europe now lay—and it was not in their elected hands. He told me, “I had once been wholeheartedly in favor of the European Union. But it was at that moment that the scales fell from my eyes.” He died an implacable opponent of the new Europe.

    And my own view? I am in favor of European democracy, and therefore firmly opposed to the atheistic-humanist, bureaucratic-centralist dictatorship that the European Union for which I once voted has so stealthily become. In Scotland, where the current “regional” gauleiter wants us to be independent of Westminster (which makes one tenth of our laws) but still subject to the dismal empire of Brussels (which makes nine-tenths of our laws), I lead a small but rapidly-growing movement in the Highlands and Islands which is aiming for independence from both Edinburgh and Brussels, but continuing loyalty to the Crown. We want our freedom back, and we are quietly planning to take it back, whether the gauleiters of the UK or the dictators of Europe like it or not. We will rise up and be a nation again.

    Let freedom ring!

    So Xogg, - - does it become clearer now?

    If you read my past blogs, I’ve linked to a grain store in the arctic, foundered and funded by the ONE WORLD ORDER CABAL MEMBERS., (at a time of global shortages, don’t forget!!) and many articles relating to this discussion.

    The CABAL movements are well planned. This entire shebang currently ripping economies apart was well planned, and the “HOLDING PLAN CURRENT IN ENACTMENT” is/was brilliantly conceived.
    Will it hold for long enough?
    I think not!!!!!!!!!!1

    THE RESULT?

    POST DEMOCRATIC HIGH TECH FEUDALISM.

    I keep saying that, and it’s true. Globally readable RFID chipped ID cards, maybe implanted, global databases.

    Termite existence for 80% of the population (after a massive 50% cull due to wars and starvation) if the CABAL GET THEIR WAY!

    2) As to my location, - - you’re thousands of miles adrift.

12. jordon Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Black Sheep.

    I’ve just sent a big one, with lotsa links.

    It must be in post heaven, could you take a look please?

    Many thanks

    j

13. jordon Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    xoggoth

    If you want a handle on global food production, read this link, from the “Saudi Arabia” of potash (fertilizer) deposits.

    http://www.potashcorp.com/investor_relations/news_and_events/news/news_releases/?newsid=1134291

    The above company POT, in US, produces Muriate of potash (potassium chloride), good for grain, etc ergo Asia.

    Another company, CMP, in US produces Sulphate of potash, (Potassium Sulphate), good for fruit, veg, potato, etc.

    Both companies are booming, caused by global food crisis.

14. jordon Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Herewith.

    http://www.star-telegram.com/ed_wallace/v-print/story/628283.html

15. jordon Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Black Sheep.

    Did you manage to find my earlier post yet?

    Thanks.

    j

16. Westerner Says:
    May 11th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    There you go, Jordon. I’ve been out of it the past few days with bronchitis or something similar. Sleeping a lot. I’m still out of it but it doesn’t seem to be getting any worse.

17. jordon Says:
    May 11th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Best wishes for a swift recovery, Westerner.

    Many thanks

    j

18. Aurora Says:
    May 11th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    The rise of Obama is heralding in a strange new twist to politics. We’ve just seen it in Australia as well. Where the ‘wrong’ candidate is scapegoated and the ‘right’ one is lauded and worshiped to the status of an Elvis. It’s like nothing we’ve ever encountered before and it can’t be stopped by conventional means. I think it’s going to cause a heck of a lot of damage before we work out the antidote.

19. xoggoth Says:
    May 11th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Sorry Jordan, your first statement re global warming is just not true. I am a chemical engineer and spent some years in simulation related areas such as heat transfer in industrial furnaces and have a fair grasp of the basic principles. There is a greenhouse effect of CO2, H2O, CH4 etc and this was predicted fairly accurately back in the 19th century.

    While I cannot claim I have studied the subject in detail and would not assert it is all correct, all the basic mechanisms of acceleration, eg by which more CO2 warms, hence more evaporation of H2O, and more release of subsea/subsoil CH4, or less ice, less reflection of sun’s heat, are also scientifically sound.

    I do agree there are too many vested interests and too much government cons to raise taxes to take all the claims seriously, that does not mean it is all untrue. The anti brigade talks just as much nonsense, eg man’s CO2 is much less than volcanos - a) Volcanos are an ongoing thing and equilibirum on those has been reached and b) It is not true anyway or eg the effects are related to sun activity - not that that is untrue in itself, but it is not an argument that manmade CO2 is not also a factor.

    While I would agree with the gist of that article about the self serving nature of the EU I cannot help but think, from some of the details, that the author is ever so slightly nutty and a great deal of it looks like total bollox although I will be checking on some of it. So “Commissioner” is “Kommissar”, gosh, that is sinister, and I have just thought, Fuhrer means leader too, so all our political leaders must be fascist dictators!

20. xoggoth Says:
    May 11th, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    That monkton chap does however raise one problem with the global warming theory that I personally found one of the few convincing arguments against it, the altitude problem. That is fairly crucial to the whole idea and was a factor in the 19th century calculations.

    http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/08/greenhouse-warming-wrong-altitude-and.html

21. xoggoth Says:
    May 11th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Still looking for any support for the Monkton view that a recent act “took away the right of criminal trial”

    Can’t even find it on Liberty or similar websites. Great apocolyptic sweeping comments, no details, no explanations. You seem to find it all convincing Jordan and misy clearly have checked it out, so give us a clue what does that refer to?

22. jordon Says:
    May 12th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Xoggoth.

    You open with a bold statement.
    “Sorry Jordan, your first statement re global warming is just not true.”
    And then you seek to limit its effect
    “I am a chemical engineer and spent some years in simulation related areas such as heat transfer in industrial furnaces and have a fair grasp of the basic principles. There is a greenhouse effect of CO2, H2O, CH4 etc and this was predicted fairly accurately back in the 19th century.”

    The processes going on around this planet are far more complex than a suit of “heat transfer in industrial furnace” software, not to mention the regular gravitational effects exerted on atoms/molecules of varying densities, something totally missing from your simulation software.
    Heck, with even the mega-computing power directed at wind and weather patterns, our predictions a mere 24 hours out are invariably wrong, How the warming theorist can arrive at their conclusions, in the face of an ACTUALLITY that does NOT conform to their theories, is beyond credible.

    http://www.ff.org/centers/csspp/pdf/20061121_gore.pdf

    You , I am sure, are competent in your field. With all due respect, this is not your field. Viscount Monckton uses published data, (before it is politically doctored by self serving cretins) from globally respected sources. He has spent many hours discussing with the authors in person, the realities of this situation. He has issued an open online challenge to al gore for a global debate on this very subject. Al gore has, to date, failed to answer.

    http://ff.org/centers/csspp/docs/20070316_monckton.html

    I have personally spent hours discussing many issues with Viscount Monckton, and while I found him to be a “powerful” character, - - dishonest, inaccurate, are words that would never be used to describe him.

    The plain facts are that global warming is not happening, for whatever reason.
    True, winters have become milder in my lifetime in my home place, but they seem to be worse in other places.
    The 2007 winter in the northern hemisphere served to replace ALL the ice lost in the previous warm-up, caused by previous sunspot activity.

    (What should concern you more is the fact that in the northern hemisphere, the icefields of the greatest depth are on Greenland, which is not near the north pole. And in the southern hemisphere, geographically exactly opposite the Greenland icefields, are to be found the deepest icefields of the southern hemisphere. But that is a long explanation that I won’t go into at this stage ? )

    If you want a personal opinion, sifted from hours of study, it runs something like this.
    I am at a loss to figure why the out-of –cicuit addition of CO2, and other gases, deposited in the atmosphere by our burning of hydrocarbons, is not creating global warming. But the facts are that it APPARENTLY isn’t.
    Global dimming (do a google, it’s interesting), from the additional particulates from our burning of “dirty coal, etc” are playing a large part in cooling the planet. Various authorities monitor the photons hitting the planets surface, and confirm the decline. This is not good for our plant/food life.
    Correlations between sunspot activity and global temperatures are greater than correlations between CO2 levels and global temperatures
    At the bottom of it all, the fact is that we don’t know.
    And the fact that we “DON’T KNOW” is NOT a viable basis for trends in monumental additions of global “green” taxes, that distort economies and nations, and create global food shortages, etc, etc.

    I will deal with your comments, re trials, later.

    I’m rather busy this evening.

23. xoggoth Says:
    May 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Not limiting at all Jordan, the point is that same laws and basic scientific principles apply. As I said, I am not one that would categorically state that manmade global warming is a fact, I have not looked into it enough in any case, simply that I find the science of the basic mechanisms to be sound, with some exceptions like that article I mentioned earlier.

    That comment about predictions of weather forecasts being wrong so how can they predict on a planet wide scale is the same complete misunderstanding I see over and over again, it is actually far more complex to predict micro effects like weather in any one place due to all the numerous factors to take into account than it is to model global trends not less.

    While Monkton appears to be a very clever chap, the language in that text about the EU does make me wonder how detached he is from some of his favourite issues. Maybe he is referring to various changes (made by the British goverment not the EU) to remove right to a jury in complex cases and so on or perhaps there is some ant-terrorism law passed by the EU for rare usage but just to state that right to a fair trail has been abolished without any reference or qualification, implying we can all expect to be hauled off at 3am by the state police for no reason is quite absurd use of language.

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